1 00:00:04,070 --> 00:00:02,750 welcome back to the channel guys this is 2 00:00:06,289 --> 00:00:04,080 something a little bit different for 3 00:00:08,750 --> 00:00:06,299 this channel in it's not just a direct 4 00:00:10,370 --> 00:00:08,760 interview I recently announced that I'm 5 00:00:12,770 --> 00:00:10,380 going to be the host of The Echo 6 00:00:15,289 --> 00:00:12,780 European Congress for UAP studies and 7 00:00:18,470 --> 00:00:15,299 research it is a conference being held 8 00:00:19,550 --> 00:00:18,480 this November in Paris France and what I 9 00:00:21,650 --> 00:00:19,560 thought I'd do is I would thought I 10 00:00:23,689 --> 00:00:21,660 would just share the website and show if 11 00:00:26,509 --> 00:00:23,699 you're interested where you can get 12 00:00:28,189 --> 00:00:26,519 tickets to attend the event so let me 13 00:00:29,630 --> 00:00:28,199 just bring up the website and then we 14 00:00:32,089 --> 00:00:29,640 can kind of go through it a little bit 15 00:00:34,790 --> 00:00:32,099 following that I do have a short 16 00:00:37,490 --> 00:00:34,800 interview with Professor Avi Loeb and 17 00:00:40,250 --> 00:00:37,500 Christian van Heist who will both be 18 00:00:42,850 --> 00:00:40,260 speaking at the event so bear with me 19 00:00:46,729 --> 00:00:42,860 like I said let me just bring on 20 00:00:48,290 --> 00:00:46,739 this screen here we go 21 00:00:50,450 --> 00:00:48,300 so there we are as you can see this is 22 00:00:52,910 --> 00:00:50,460 the home page for the echo conference 23 00:00:55,549 --> 00:00:52,920 with all the speakers and the host 24 00:00:58,010 --> 00:00:55,559 myself there 25 00:00:59,630 --> 00:00:58,020 I will post the link for this uh below 26 00:01:01,189 --> 00:00:59,640 for you but I'll just quickly read here 27 00:01:02,990 --> 00:01:01,199 the echo Congress will bring together 28 00:01:04,729 --> 00:01:03,000 speakers selected for their specific 29 00:01:07,070 --> 00:01:04,739 themes these guests will speak during 30 00:01:09,830 --> 00:01:07,080 conferences roundtables and for some 31 00:01:11,870 --> 00:01:09,840 video conferences the private event will 32 00:01:14,030 --> 00:01:11,880 also bring together journalists media 33 00:01:16,310 --> 00:01:14,040 managers and editors National and 34 00:01:18,050 --> 00:01:16,320 international live event featuring 35 00:01:20,749 --> 00:01:18,060 International speakers in the field of 36 00:01:22,870 --> 00:01:20,759 UAP and here we have the the sort of 37 00:01:25,670 --> 00:01:22,880 Headliners we have Christopher Mellon 38 00:01:28,929 --> 00:01:25,680 avilobe Jacques valet 39 00:01:31,969 --> 00:01:28,939 and then we have a selection of French 40 00:01:34,310 --> 00:01:31,979 ufologists we have 41 00:01:36,770 --> 00:01:34,320 a former fighter pilot in the French Air 42 00:01:39,649 --> 00:01:36,780 Force I mentioned Christian van Heist 43 00:01:42,230 --> 00:01:39,659 the Boeing 747 Captain 44 00:01:45,370 --> 00:01:42,240 um myself and uh author screenwriter and 45 00:01:47,210 --> 00:01:45,380 director Dominic feelhol so moving on 46 00:01:49,249 --> 00:01:47,220 we're just going to go through these 47 00:01:50,870 --> 00:01:49,259 tabs briefly if you want to check the 48 00:01:53,630 --> 00:01:50,880 link below you can go and have a better 49 00:01:55,490 --> 00:01:53,640 look so there's some Echo objectives for 50 00:01:56,870 --> 00:01:55,500 what they're trying to achieve here and 51 00:01:58,730 --> 00:01:56,880 I think this is really important that we 52 00:02:01,190 --> 00:01:58,740 have these types of events not just in 53 00:02:03,230 --> 00:02:01,200 the US but in Europe as well it helps to 54 00:02:05,990 --> 00:02:03,240 kind of spread the word and show that 55 00:02:07,969 --> 00:02:06,000 this subject is being taken seriously 56 00:02:10,130 --> 00:02:07,979 so there's some more information you 57 00:02:11,330 --> 00:02:10,140 have the the general schedule of the 58 00:02:13,250 --> 00:02:11,340 speakers 59 00:02:15,710 --> 00:02:13,260 the Consortium just sort of explains 60 00:02:17,449 --> 00:02:15,720 about bringing researchers together 61 00:02:19,250 --> 00:02:17,459 and then finally if you were interested 62 00:02:21,589 --> 00:02:19,260 you can go and book your tickets now a 63 00:02:23,630 --> 00:02:21,599 regular pass is currently 130 Euros 64 00:02:26,809 --> 00:02:23,640 that's for the first month after that it 65 00:02:28,369 --> 00:02:26,819 goes up to 150 Euros that's a sort of 66 00:02:29,990 --> 00:02:28,379 special offer but then there are 67 00:02:31,790 --> 00:02:30,000 different levels as you can see there 68 00:02:35,690 --> 00:02:31,800 going up then they all offer you kind of 69 00:02:37,850 --> 00:02:35,700 extras within the the package that you 70 00:02:40,790 --> 00:02:37,860 that you decide you want if you're going 71 00:02:43,250 --> 00:02:40,800 I know conferences are certainly not for 72 00:02:45,530 --> 00:02:43,260 everyone and I personally enjoy going to 73 00:02:47,690 --> 00:02:45,540 conferences not necessarily just to hear 74 00:02:49,369 --> 00:02:47,700 the speakers but also the networking 75 00:02:51,949 --> 00:02:49,379 I've found in the last couple of years 76 00:02:53,690 --> 00:02:51,959 from attending various conferences that 77 00:02:55,670 --> 00:02:53,700 I've met some very interesting people 78 00:02:58,910 --> 00:02:55,680 and formed some some really interesting 79 00:03:00,710 --> 00:02:58,920 connections just by attending so like I 80 00:03:03,770 --> 00:03:00,720 said I know it's not for everyone but 81 00:03:05,990 --> 00:03:03,780 there we are so right now I'm going to 82 00:03:08,570 --> 00:03:06,000 switch to the small short brief 83 00:03:11,149 --> 00:03:08,580 interview that I recorded with Avi Loeb 84 00:03:13,910 --> 00:03:11,159 and Christian van Heist enjoy 85 00:03:16,130 --> 00:03:13,920 so guys thank you so much for being here 86 00:03:18,050 --> 00:03:16,140 um I wanted to start off Avi by asking 87 00:03:20,030 --> 00:03:18,060 you what your thoughts are on events 88 00:03:22,610 --> 00:03:20,040 such as this when it's specifically 89 00:03:25,430 --> 00:03:22,620 focusing on the scientific research 90 00:03:28,369 --> 00:03:25,440 aspect of the phenomena 91 00:03:30,470 --> 00:03:28,379 yeah I do think that the reports so far 92 00:03:32,690 --> 00:03:30,480 are quite intriguing and that's why I'm 93 00:03:36,470 --> 00:03:32,700 engaged with the Galileo project in 94 00:03:39,589 --> 00:03:36,480 monitoring the sky 24 7 in the infrared 95 00:03:42,670 --> 00:03:39,599 Optical radio and audio and we want to 96 00:03:45,110 --> 00:03:42,680 bring it to the realm of scientific 97 00:03:47,270 --> 00:03:45,120 mainstream in the sense of collecting 98 00:03:50,089 --> 00:03:47,280 data with instruments that we have full 99 00:03:51,949 --> 00:03:50,099 control over that we calibrate and that 100 00:03:54,710 --> 00:03:51,959 we can analyze with artificial 101 00:03:56,449 --> 00:03:54,720 intelligence software and that's where 102 00:03:59,630 --> 00:03:56,459 we are headed we already have an 103 00:04:03,350 --> 00:03:59,640 operating Observatory I do think that 104 00:04:08,270 --> 00:04:03,360 the existing data from past reports in 105 00:04:10,850 --> 00:04:08,280 the public domain is not conclusive and 106 00:04:13,429 --> 00:04:10,860 that is why the US government under the 107 00:04:16,310 --> 00:04:13,439 office of Aero is looking more carefully 108 00:04:18,349 --> 00:04:16,320 into past reports but the way to resolve 109 00:04:21,229 --> 00:04:18,359 the nature of the objects that are being 110 00:04:22,250 --> 00:04:21,239 seen is by collecting better data in the 111 00:04:24,770 --> 00:04:22,260 future 112 00:04:27,290 --> 00:04:24,780 absolutely and Christian since going 113 00:04:29,330 --> 00:04:27,300 public with your story here on this 114 00:04:31,550 --> 00:04:29,340 channel you've since appeared on Ryan 115 00:04:33,950 --> 00:04:31,560 Grave's merged podcast and the Richard 116 00:04:35,870 --> 00:04:33,960 Dolan show so some really big platforms 117 00:04:38,629 --> 00:04:35,880 so I just wanted to ask how things have 118 00:04:42,469 --> 00:04:38,639 been for you since then and now that you 119 00:04:44,990 --> 00:04:42,479 know you're here in the UAP subjects and 120 00:04:47,870 --> 00:04:45,000 Community yeah well it's it's been quite 121 00:04:51,230 --> 00:04:47,880 a ride honestly and surprisingly I have 122 00:04:53,150 --> 00:04:51,240 not received any negative feedback uh I 123 00:04:55,129 --> 00:04:53,160 was kind of hesitant especially because 124 00:04:57,110 --> 00:04:55,139 it was I'm one of the first commercial 125 00:04:59,749 --> 00:04:57,120 pilots basically come forward with my 126 00:05:02,030 --> 00:04:59,759 story uh mostly anecdotal only one 127 00:05:04,249 --> 00:05:02,040 picture to show and only stories so I 128 00:05:07,070 --> 00:05:04,259 was expecting a lot of backlash but 129 00:05:09,590 --> 00:05:07,080 um no actually the feedback was 130 00:05:11,150 --> 00:05:09,600 extremely positive I got so many invites 131 00:05:13,370 --> 00:05:11,160 for the podcaster if you as you just 132 00:05:16,850 --> 00:05:13,380 mentioned I'm also working together now 133 00:05:19,730 --> 00:05:16,860 with Enigma labs and they are basically 134 00:05:22,189 --> 00:05:19,740 um yeah trying to to come up with a with 135 00:05:24,830 --> 00:05:22,199 a way to just gather data gather data 136 00:05:27,350 --> 00:05:24,840 from sightings from especially credible 137 00:05:29,390 --> 00:05:27,360 observers Etc and after collecting the 138 00:05:31,790 --> 00:05:29,400 data we're hopefully just starting 139 00:05:34,249 --> 00:05:31,800 analyzing it and almost like the Galileo 140 00:05:36,650 --> 00:05:34,259 project uh taking the subject serious 141 00:05:38,150 --> 00:05:36,660 and yeah getting rid of the stigma and 142 00:05:40,790 --> 00:05:38,160 that's really uh some of the really 143 00:05:42,650 --> 00:05:40,800 positive stuff that that happens and on 144 00:05:45,290 --> 00:05:42,660 a side note which is very interesting as 145 00:05:48,110 --> 00:05:45,300 well is that a lot of Pilots have 146 00:05:50,390 --> 00:05:48,120 approached me uh both in person and my 147 00:05:53,689 --> 00:05:50,400 email and they desperately wanted to 148 00:05:55,370 --> 00:05:53,699 share their own experiences and 149 00:05:56,749 --> 00:05:55,380 um it's it's a huge honor to hear those 150 00:05:58,850 --> 00:05:56,759 stories especially because some of them 151 00:06:00,710 --> 00:05:58,860 are really impactful and even emotional 152 00:06:03,469 --> 00:06:00,720 for some Pilots both positive and 153 00:06:05,210 --> 00:06:03,479 negative and uh basically just a couple 154 00:06:06,830 --> 00:06:05,220 of days ago I decided that I'm probably 155 00:06:08,230 --> 00:06:06,840 going to start a new website where 156 00:06:11,930 --> 00:06:08,240 Pilots can 157 00:06:15,290 --> 00:06:11,940 share their experiences with me and 158 00:06:18,050 --> 00:06:15,300 um maybe anonymously or maybe openly so 159 00:06:19,969 --> 00:06:18,060 I can just start Gathering uh uh yeah 160 00:06:21,890 --> 00:06:19,979 the stories and who knows where it will 161 00:06:23,930 --> 00:06:21,900 lead to if for now it's just idea to to 162 00:06:25,850 --> 00:06:23,940 start start this this website and just 163 00:06:27,110 --> 00:06:25,860 invite Pilots to to share their stories 164 00:06:30,529 --> 00:06:27,120 especially if they don't want to come 165 00:06:31,909 --> 00:06:30,539 forward publicly in podcasts Etc so 166 00:06:33,710 --> 00:06:31,919 um yeah basically our first interview 167 00:06:35,450 --> 00:06:33,720 from a couple of months ago it triggered 168 00:06:38,570 --> 00:06:35,460 uh something something really beautiful 169 00:06:41,270 --> 00:06:38,580 and I can't wait to see where it's going 170 00:06:43,010 --> 00:06:41,280 fantastic that's amazing to hear now Avi 171 00:06:44,689 --> 00:06:43,020 with uh with a few months yet to go 172 00:06:46,850 --> 00:06:44,699 until the end of the year with the this 173 00:06:48,529 --> 00:06:46,860 conference that we are all appearing at 174 00:06:50,870 --> 00:06:48,539 I just wanted to know if you were hoping 175 00:06:53,450 --> 00:06:50,880 to show any or share any results from 176 00:06:55,909 --> 00:06:53,460 the Galileo project at the event yeah 177 00:06:59,570 --> 00:06:55,919 that is our goal we are currently 178 00:07:01,309 --> 00:06:59,580 collecting data we are analyzing it and 179 00:07:03,890 --> 00:07:01,319 hopefully by the time of the conference 180 00:07:07,249 --> 00:07:03,900 we have results to show scientific 181 00:07:10,189 --> 00:07:07,259 results I have an issue with anecdotal 182 00:07:12,890 --> 00:07:10,199 reports and relying on what people say 183 00:07:16,370 --> 00:07:12,900 they saw because we all know that during 184 00:07:19,010 --> 00:07:16,380 the soccer World Cup you know FIFA 185 00:07:21,409 --> 00:07:19,020 decided to rely on an automated system 186 00:07:24,290 --> 00:07:21,419 of video cameras not to rely on the 187 00:07:27,290 --> 00:07:24,300 players on the on the core the soccer 188 00:07:29,689 --> 00:07:27,300 core uh in telling whether there was an 189 00:07:31,610 --> 00:07:29,699 offside that's not a reliable method you 190 00:07:33,350 --> 00:07:31,620 can't ask Spectators to tell you whether 191 00:07:36,050 --> 00:07:33,360 there was an offside because they have 192 00:07:39,170 --> 00:07:36,060 some other impressions of what happened 193 00:07:41,150 --> 00:07:39,180 so as much as I would like to build live 194 00:07:43,189 --> 00:07:41,160 and analyze what people are telling me 195 00:07:46,070 --> 00:07:43,199 that's not the path forward because 196 00:07:48,110 --> 00:07:46,080 people can say a lot of things and that 197 00:07:50,330 --> 00:07:48,120 would not hold up scientifically 198 00:07:52,210 --> 00:07:50,340 speaking and the best way to proceed is 199 00:07:55,070 --> 00:07:52,220 not by going and interviewing and 200 00:07:56,809 --> 00:07:55,080 documenting what people say that's not 201 00:07:57,950 --> 00:07:56,819 the way to tell whether there was an 202 00:08:00,529 --> 00:07:57,960 offside 203 00:08:02,029 --> 00:08:00,539 the way to tell is actually by 204 00:08:03,170 --> 00:08:02,039 documenting what happened with 205 00:08:05,749 --> 00:08:03,180 instruments 206 00:08:07,430 --> 00:08:05,759 and analyzing the data and making it 207 00:08:09,650 --> 00:08:07,440 open to the public 208 00:08:11,089 --> 00:08:09,660 and so that is the goal of the Galileo 209 00:08:14,150 --> 00:08:11,099 project and I should emphasize that 210 00:08:16,790 --> 00:08:14,160 there is no other project that comes to 211 00:08:18,050 --> 00:08:16,800 that conclusion all the other projects 212 00:08:21,230 --> 00:08:18,060 are talking about what people 213 00:08:23,629 --> 00:08:21,240 experienced going back in time asking 214 00:08:26,089 --> 00:08:23,639 people what did you see and so forth 215 00:08:27,830 --> 00:08:26,099 talking about it that's not the way to 216 00:08:30,290 --> 00:08:27,840 make scientific progress the way to make 217 00:08:34,190 --> 00:08:30,300 scientific progress is to get new data 218 00:08:37,029 --> 00:08:34,200 of the highest quality not anecdotal by 219 00:08:39,709 --> 00:08:37,039 systematic survey of the sky 220 00:08:42,290 --> 00:08:39,719 systematically monitoring the sky in 221 00:08:45,410 --> 00:08:42,300 many locations analyzing all of this 222 00:08:46,970 --> 00:08:45,420 data not by chance seeing something that 223 00:08:48,889 --> 00:08:46,980 you didn't expect and then talking about 224 00:08:51,350 --> 00:08:48,899 it forever that's not the way to make 225 00:08:53,150 --> 00:08:51,360 progress because if you saw something by 226 00:08:55,009 --> 00:08:53,160 chance and you didn't document it with 227 00:08:56,810 --> 00:08:55,019 the best instruments you can't really 228 00:08:59,090 --> 00:08:56,820 make much of it 229 00:09:00,889 --> 00:08:59,100 and the way to proceed is therefore 230 00:09:03,470 --> 00:09:00,899 scientifically and the Galileo project 231 00:09:06,470 --> 00:09:03,480 is the only entity which is doing that 232 00:09:07,310 --> 00:09:06,480 right now no other organization is doing 233 00:09:09,730 --> 00:09:07,320 that 234 00:09:12,590 --> 00:09:09,740 the second thing we are doing is also 235 00:09:14,329 --> 00:09:12,600 examining Interstellar objects these are 236 00:09:17,150 --> 00:09:14,339 objects that came from outside the solar 237 00:09:19,730 --> 00:09:17,160 system there were documented by 238 00:09:21,590 --> 00:09:19,740 astronomical data and by the US 239 00:09:23,329 --> 00:09:21,600 government these are Interstellar 240 00:09:26,090 --> 00:09:23,339 meteors that we discovered with my 241 00:09:28,730 --> 00:09:26,100 student Amir siraj and they are also 242 00:09:31,130 --> 00:09:28,740 Interstellar objects like discovered by 243 00:09:33,829 --> 00:09:31,140 telescope in Hawaii five-stars and and 244 00:09:36,650 --> 00:09:33,839 we are currently planning an expedition 245 00:09:38,690 --> 00:09:36,660 to the Pacific Ocean uh a few months 246 00:09:41,210 --> 00:09:38,700 before the conference and we'll 247 00:09:43,490 --> 00:09:41,220 hopefully find some relics of this first 248 00:09:46,730 --> 00:09:43,500 Interstellar meteor that appear to be 249 00:09:49,910 --> 00:09:46,740 tougher than iron tougher than all the 250 00:09:53,930 --> 00:09:49,920 other space rocks ever recorded in the 251 00:09:56,630 --> 00:09:53,940 NASA CME OS catalog so here I'm talking 252 00:09:58,490 --> 00:09:56,640 about scientific quality data implying 253 00:10:01,630 --> 00:09:58,500 that objects from outside the solar 254 00:10:04,550 --> 00:10:01,640 system appear to be unusual unfamiliar 255 00:10:06,410 --> 00:10:04,560 and hopefully we'll find something in 256 00:10:08,750 --> 00:10:06,420 the Pacific Ocean and I'll be delighted 257 00:10:12,050 --> 00:10:08,760 to share it with your audience 258 00:10:14,389 --> 00:10:12,060 fantastic yes absolutely I think the 259 00:10:17,090 --> 00:10:14,399 majority of the UFO Community is 260 00:10:18,470 --> 00:10:17,100 extremely excited with the the planned 261 00:10:20,570 --> 00:10:18,480 projects that you have going forward 262 00:10:22,430 --> 00:10:20,580 this year so we'll be delighted to hear 263 00:10:24,889 --> 00:10:22,440 of any updates that you can give us as 264 00:10:26,630 --> 00:10:24,899 and when they happen now Christian when 265 00:10:28,850 --> 00:10:26,640 you uh first came forward you did 266 00:10:30,590 --> 00:10:28,860 produce some photographic evidence and 267 00:10:32,269 --> 00:10:30,600 have you encountered in your 268 00:10:34,490 --> 00:10:32,279 conversations with other Pilots that 269 00:10:37,130 --> 00:10:34,500 have come forward any 270 00:10:39,350 --> 00:10:37,140 evidence that shows uh you know above 271 00:10:40,910 --> 00:10:39,360 the anecdotal stories let's say and 272 00:10:44,210 --> 00:10:40,920 experiences that they have produced any 273 00:10:47,329 --> 00:10:44,220 photos or videos not from the stories 274 00:10:49,069 --> 00:10:47,339 that I heard so far uh the biggest issue 275 00:10:51,410 --> 00:10:49,079 is and that's uh what I've looked just 276 00:10:53,990 --> 00:10:51,420 mentioned as well is that it's most of 277 00:10:55,370 --> 00:10:54,000 the time chance encounters and sometimes 278 00:10:57,650 --> 00:10:55,380 it's pretty far away sometimes it's 279 00:10:59,990 --> 00:10:57,660 literally next to the cockpit and it's 280 00:11:01,910 --> 00:11:00,000 uh it takes it takes people by surprise 281 00:11:03,650 --> 00:11:01,920 and even though I'm a professional 282 00:11:06,110 --> 00:11:03,660 photographer as well I always have my 283 00:11:08,269 --> 00:11:06,120 camera ready but I only managed to to 284 00:11:10,430 --> 00:11:08,279 capture it once because it just it was 285 00:11:12,470 --> 00:11:10,440 completely unexpected and that is the 286 00:11:14,449 --> 00:11:12,480 biggest uh the biggest issue uh with 287 00:11:16,009 --> 00:11:14,459 with aviators and also military 288 00:11:18,350 --> 00:11:16,019 personnel that if they see something 289 00:11:21,110 --> 00:11:18,360 it's most of the time it's gone within a 290 00:11:23,090 --> 00:11:21,120 second and second of all well taking a 291 00:11:24,530 --> 00:11:23,100 picture of it or documenting it's it's 292 00:11:26,030 --> 00:11:24,540 not the first thing on your mind when 293 00:11:28,730 --> 00:11:26,040 something like that happens especially 294 00:11:30,470 --> 00:11:28,740 since I'm a professional at work uh 295 00:11:32,150 --> 00:11:30,480 photography is always second so that's 296 00:11:34,250 --> 00:11:32,160 that's a big issue with these anecdotal 297 00:11:37,910 --> 00:11:34,260 evidences uh by the way if I if I can 298 00:11:39,889 --> 00:11:37,920 quickly a reply to uh to Avi Lopez 299 00:11:41,889 --> 00:11:39,899 arguments I completely agree that 300 00:11:44,630 --> 00:11:41,899 there's nothing scientific about 301 00:11:46,910 --> 00:11:44,640 Gathering these anecdotes but I do think 302 00:11:49,069 --> 00:11:46,920 it's good for the general public to gain 303 00:11:51,230 --> 00:11:49,079 interest in the in the topic and to and 304 00:11:53,449 --> 00:11:51,240 to potentially also raise the funds for 305 00:11:55,730 --> 00:11:53,459 let's say the Galileo project and that's 306 00:11:58,190 --> 00:11:55,740 why I think it was important for me to 307 00:11:59,690 --> 00:11:58,200 come forward with my stories even though 308 00:12:01,790 --> 00:11:59,700 um I completely agree it's it's 309 00:12:04,550 --> 00:12:01,800 anecdotal and it's kind of useless in a 310 00:12:06,050 --> 00:12:04,560 scientific way but I think as the moment 311 00:12:07,910 --> 00:12:06,060 we get rid of the stigma in the moment 312 00:12:10,790 --> 00:12:07,920 people start opening up or realizing 313 00:12:12,889 --> 00:12:10,800 there's there might be something to it 314 00:12:15,590 --> 00:12:12,899 um it's a small Cornerstone towards 315 00:12:17,930 --> 00:12:15,600 working uh uh yeah in the more General 316 00:12:21,290 --> 00:12:17,940 scientific Direction 317 00:12:22,490 --> 00:12:21,300 yeah I completely agree and I should say 318 00:12:25,150 --> 00:12:22,500 that 319 00:12:28,670 --> 00:12:25,160 um the reason I'm engaged as a scientist 320 00:12:31,550 --> 00:12:28,680 is because of these reports otherwise I 321 00:12:34,269 --> 00:12:31,560 would not do what I'm doing so what I'm 322 00:12:38,150 --> 00:12:34,279 saying is the Galileo project is already 323 00:12:40,930 --> 00:12:38,160 following this path that uh 324 00:12:43,129 --> 00:12:40,940 will allow us perhaps to 325 00:12:45,410 --> 00:12:43,139 systematically survey this kind figure 326 00:12:47,569 --> 00:12:45,420 out what's out there and it could be 327 00:12:49,970 --> 00:12:47,579 very exciting 328 00:12:51,650 --> 00:12:49,980 yeah absolutely and I really appreciate 329 00:12:53,449 --> 00:12:51,660 you uh you sort of bringing that point 330 00:12:56,030 --> 00:12:53,459 about the stigma there Christian because 331 00:12:57,769 --> 00:12:56,040 both in the aviation world and in the 332 00:13:00,590 --> 00:12:57,779 scientific world I think that the stigma 333 00:13:02,389 --> 00:13:00,600 has been been there quite strongly so uh 334 00:13:04,370 --> 00:13:02,399 first of all to you Abby how has the 335 00:13:05,870 --> 00:13:04,380 stigma lifted you know I think I 336 00:13:08,090 --> 00:13:05,880 probably ask you this question each time 337 00:13:10,129 --> 00:13:08,100 we speak but do you see the stigma 338 00:13:12,470 --> 00:13:10,139 lifting more and more each time every 339 00:13:15,650 --> 00:13:12,480 few months yeah and I think there would 340 00:13:18,350 --> 00:13:15,660 be a very clear way a simple way to 341 00:13:20,389 --> 00:13:18,360 remove it all together and that is by 342 00:13:23,990 --> 00:13:20,399 finding conclusive evidence Beyond any 343 00:13:26,090 --> 00:13:24,000 reasonable doubt and at that point all 344 00:13:27,949 --> 00:13:26,100 these people that ridicule the search 345 00:13:30,410 --> 00:13:27,959 would say oh of course you know we've 346 00:13:32,870 --> 00:13:30,420 been talking about it for decades you 347 00:13:35,329 --> 00:13:32,880 know shopping our uh how are the 348 00:13:38,810 --> 00:13:35,339 shopping hour the philosopher 349 00:13:42,590 --> 00:13:38,820 um argued that the three stages in 350 00:13:45,110 --> 00:13:42,600 accepting a new truth the first one is 351 00:13:48,170 --> 00:13:45,120 people ridiculing the discussion of that 352 00:13:51,170 --> 00:13:48,180 subject the second is people arguing 353 00:13:53,269 --> 00:13:51,180 against it very strongly and the third 354 00:13:56,030 --> 00:13:53,279 is people saying oh it's evident 355 00:13:57,110 --> 00:13:56,040 self-evident and we were saying that all 356 00:14:00,470 --> 00:13:57,120 along 357 00:14:02,210 --> 00:14:00,480 and you know of course there will be 358 00:14:04,790 --> 00:14:02,220 this phase as soon as we get a 359 00:14:06,410 --> 00:14:04,800 conclusive evidence but to collect it we 360 00:14:08,569 --> 00:14:06,420 really need to do the hard work it's 361 00:14:10,910 --> 00:14:08,579 much easier to have an opinion 362 00:14:12,590 --> 00:14:10,920 uh because it doesn't require much work 363 00:14:15,710 --> 00:14:12,600 you just have an opinion like in 364 00:14:19,129 --> 00:14:15,720 politics but um collecting the evidence 365 00:14:20,690 --> 00:14:19,139 and making it conclusive is requires a 366 00:14:23,750 --> 00:14:20,700 lot of effort and that's what I'm 367 00:14:25,850 --> 00:14:23,760 willing to do uh as of now and the 368 00:14:27,410 --> 00:14:25,860 implications would be huge for Humanity 369 00:14:30,170 --> 00:14:27,420 if we find evidence for another 370 00:14:33,069 --> 00:14:30,180 technological civilization I discussed 371 00:14:35,930 --> 00:14:33,079 those implications in my new book 372 00:14:40,970 --> 00:14:35,940 Interstellar that I have the pleasure of 373 00:14:42,949 --> 00:14:40,980 holding here uh and I I do believe that 374 00:14:45,350 --> 00:14:42,959 in the coming years you know if there is 375 00:14:47,689 --> 00:14:45,360 something out there we'll find it 376 00:14:50,150 --> 00:14:47,699 nice I love I love that attitude I 377 00:14:51,110 --> 00:14:50,160 really do it's so positive and it's kind 378 00:14:52,850 --> 00:14:51,120 of the same question to you there 379 00:14:54,889 --> 00:14:52,860 Christian have you noticed the stigma 380 00:14:58,730 --> 00:14:54,899 lifting when your conversations with 381 00:15:00,410 --> 00:14:58,740 other Pilots uh in general I noticed 382 00:15:01,670 --> 00:15:00,420 that a lot of Pilots especially my 383 00:15:04,069 --> 00:15:01,680 direct colleagues they've seen my 384 00:15:05,750 --> 00:15:04,079 interviews and I'm not being laughed at 385 00:15:07,790 --> 00:15:05,760 and that's all at least not not straight 386 00:15:09,350 --> 00:15:07,800 in my face and that's already quite 387 00:15:10,910 --> 00:15:09,360 something and also some of the 388 00:15:13,009 --> 00:15:10,920 colleagues I've flown with a couple of 389 00:15:14,990 --> 00:15:13,019 flights they started opening up about 390 00:15:17,210 --> 00:15:15,000 their own experiences sometimes really 391 00:15:19,189 --> 00:15:17,220 uh carefully 392 00:15:21,470 --> 00:15:19,199 um and sometimes they share some some 393 00:15:23,449 --> 00:15:21,480 really amazing things but I also 394 00:15:25,310 --> 00:15:23,459 realized that other colleagues who have 395 00:15:26,689 --> 00:15:25,320 not seen anything are slowly opening up 396 00:15:30,470 --> 00:15:26,699 to 397 00:15:33,050 --> 00:15:30,480 David Traver and Ryan craves are coming 398 00:15:35,870 --> 00:15:33,060 forward Etc and I think it's a very slow 399 00:15:38,930 --> 00:15:35,880 process and we haven't seen the end of 400 00:15:41,210 --> 00:15:38,940 it yet but I I do think that the stigma 401 00:15:43,250 --> 00:15:41,220 slowly slowly disappearing and I must 402 00:15:45,350 --> 00:15:43,260 say that the one or two times I received 403 00:15:48,710 --> 00:15:45,360 negative feedback about my experiences 404 00:15:49,910 --> 00:15:48,720 was from a non-aviation uh people some 405 00:15:52,790 --> 00:15:49,920 some of them even call themselves 406 00:15:55,490 --> 00:15:52,800 scientists but they were just uh of the 407 00:15:57,590 --> 00:15:55,500 opinion that it's all and 408 00:15:59,629 --> 00:15:57,600 um it's it's becoming less and less and 409 00:16:02,150 --> 00:15:59,639 as I said among Pilots I haven't heard 410 00:16:03,650 --> 00:16:02,160 anything negative actually quite 411 00:16:06,350 --> 00:16:03,660 contrary a lot of pointers started 412 00:16:08,509 --> 00:16:06,360 taking it much more serious so 413 00:16:10,610 --> 00:16:08,519 I think in the short periods we can say 414 00:16:12,590 --> 00:16:10,620 that in my perspective the stigma Has 415 00:16:14,689 --> 00:16:12,600 Lifted at least a little bit I should 416 00:16:16,850 --> 00:16:14,699 say regarding the stigma let me add an 417 00:16:19,670 --> 00:16:16,860 anecdote there used to be a congressman 418 00:16:22,490 --> 00:16:19,680 in the United States that for many years 419 00:16:25,250 --> 00:16:22,500 made anti-gay statements 420 00:16:27,050 --> 00:16:25,260 and when he left the office he admitted 421 00:16:30,410 --> 00:16:27,060 that he is gay 422 00:16:33,769 --> 00:16:30,420 and you might as well make the point 423 00:16:38,329 --> 00:16:33,779 that uh those people who are the 424 00:16:40,970 --> 00:16:38,339 strongest to ridicule this study are the 425 00:16:42,650 --> 00:16:40,980 ones that are really intrigued by it and 426 00:16:43,550 --> 00:16:42,660 we'll admit it as soon as we find the 427 00:16:46,430 --> 00:16:43,560 evidence 428 00:16:48,470 --> 00:16:46,440 interesting absolutely yeah yeah now 429 00:16:50,629 --> 00:16:48,480 Abby um alongside yourself and and 430 00:16:53,509 --> 00:16:50,639 Christian at this this event in Paris we 431 00:16:55,150 --> 00:16:53,519 have Christopher melon and Jacques valet 432 00:16:57,769 --> 00:16:55,160 who are both 433 00:16:58,850 --> 00:16:57,779 affiliated with the Galileo project can 434 00:17:00,350 --> 00:16:58,860 you tell us how that it's been 435 00:17:03,230 --> 00:17:00,360 beneficial that you've had people like 436 00:17:05,210 --> 00:17:03,240 this working alongside you yeah they 437 00:17:06,650 --> 00:17:05,220 provide the the perspective on the 438 00:17:10,010 --> 00:17:06,660 history of the subject the past 439 00:17:13,429 --> 00:17:10,020 experiences see I'm more of the Mind of 440 00:17:16,250 --> 00:17:13,439 a kid I I'm still a farm boy I was born 441 00:17:18,230 --> 00:17:16,260 on a farm and and the mind of a kid is 442 00:17:20,150 --> 00:17:18,240 not to pay attention to the adults in 443 00:17:23,390 --> 00:17:20,160 the room you want to figure it out 444 00:17:26,449 --> 00:17:23,400 yourself so my mindset is more about 445 00:17:29,030 --> 00:17:26,459 getting new data figuring it out than 446 00:17:31,549 --> 00:17:29,040 about hearing stories of the past 447 00:17:33,350 --> 00:17:31,559 because the instruments that existed 448 00:17:35,630 --> 00:17:33,360 decades ago are not as good as the ones 449 00:17:37,730 --> 00:17:35,640 we have today also we can't really 450 00:17:39,770 --> 00:17:37,740 verify what happened decades ago there 451 00:17:42,770 --> 00:17:39,780 are legends myths and all kinds of 452 00:17:44,870 --> 00:17:42,780 stories whereas I want to see it myself 453 00:17:46,610 --> 00:17:44,880 I want to figure it out I want to use 454 00:17:49,430 --> 00:17:46,620 the best instruments we have on the 455 00:17:51,230 --> 00:17:49,440 shelf right now the best computers now 456 00:17:54,110 --> 00:17:51,240 we have artificial intelligence can 457 00:17:56,330 --> 00:17:54,120 assist us and in that regard we are on a 458 00:17:57,370 --> 00:17:56,340 much better footing it figuring it out 459 00:18:00,350 --> 00:17:57,380 so 460 00:18:03,049 --> 00:18:00,360 in a way I disagree with the current 461 00:18:05,810 --> 00:18:03,059 operation of government which is trying 462 00:18:08,630 --> 00:18:05,820 to go back to Historic reports and 463 00:18:11,150 --> 00:18:08,640 analyze and vet what they mean because 464 00:18:13,970 --> 00:18:11,160 that's a lot of effort and at the end of 465 00:18:16,390 --> 00:18:13,980 it if it will be inconclusive we won't 466 00:18:19,190 --> 00:18:16,400 be able to revisit those incidents 467 00:18:22,610 --> 00:18:19,200 whereas if you see something right now 468 00:18:25,490 --> 00:18:22,620 you can get even better data on it by 469 00:18:27,710 --> 00:18:25,500 continuing the search and then this is a 470 00:18:30,230 --> 00:18:27,720 great Advantage so that's my frame of 471 00:18:33,950 --> 00:18:30,240 thinking but on the other hand I want to 472 00:18:36,529 --> 00:18:33,960 be guided by what people learn from 473 00:18:38,870 --> 00:18:36,539 history and their perspective on the 474 00:18:43,370 --> 00:18:38,880 subject and obviously both Chris melon 475 00:18:46,070 --> 00:18:43,380 and Jacque Valley have a lot to say so I 476 00:18:48,710 --> 00:18:46,080 do listen to the other adults in the 477 00:18:51,770 --> 00:18:48,720 room but my mindset is more of a kid 478 00:18:53,690 --> 00:18:51,780 I appreciate that now Christian I just 479 00:18:54,770 --> 00:18:53,700 wanted to talk to you about air safety 480 00:18:56,630 --> 00:18:54,780 and I just wondered if you could just 481 00:18:58,789 --> 00:18:56,640 briefly talk us about the importance of 482 00:19:00,950 --> 00:18:58,799 when we're studying anything whether it 483 00:19:04,130 --> 00:19:00,960 be UAP or anything Aviation related the 484 00:19:06,230 --> 00:19:04,140 importance of air safety yeah that's the 485 00:19:08,090 --> 00:19:06,240 biggest issue that's uh that I had 486 00:19:10,070 --> 00:19:08,100 basically also for the reason for for 487 00:19:12,650 --> 00:19:10,080 coming forward with my stories is that 488 00:19:14,330 --> 00:19:12,660 there are things being reported by 489 00:19:15,890 --> 00:19:14,340 pilots in the sky 490 00:19:18,169 --> 00:19:15,900 um pretty far from the airplane or even 491 00:19:20,870 --> 00:19:18,179 next to the airplane this could pose a 492 00:19:22,370 --> 00:19:20,880 serious Aviation threats so far at least 493 00:19:25,430 --> 00:19:22,380 at least for as far as I know there have 494 00:19:27,169 --> 00:19:25,440 not been any incidents or accidents 495 00:19:29,090 --> 00:19:27,179 um but there is a genuine fear of flight 496 00:19:32,150 --> 00:19:29,100 safety yeah for me especially being 497 00:19:33,950 --> 00:19:32,160 Pilots being in command of of a very 498 00:19:37,010 --> 00:19:33,960 expensive airplane and it's it's cargo 499 00:19:39,710 --> 00:19:37,020 or passengers I'm responsible for uh for 500 00:19:41,150 --> 00:19:39,720 dealing with that flight safety issue so 501 00:19:42,830 --> 00:19:41,160 um as I said that was for me the biggest 502 00:19:45,289 --> 00:19:42,840 reason to come forward and that's also 503 00:19:46,549 --> 00:19:45,299 the reason why I was very captivated for 504 00:19:48,049 --> 00:19:46,559 many years by the things I've seen 505 00:19:50,090 --> 00:19:48,059 because I want to I want to understand 506 00:19:51,770 --> 00:19:50,100 what I've what I've been seeing and what 507 00:19:54,710 --> 00:19:51,780 the implications are for flight safety 508 00:19:56,690 --> 00:19:54,720 and uh actually I was kind of happy when 509 00:19:58,310 --> 00:19:56,700 I saw the the incident with the Spy 510 00:19:59,930 --> 00:19:58,320 balloon over the US and also these 511 00:20:02,150 --> 00:19:59,940 objects that have been shot down because 512 00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:02,160 for the first time it was proof that 513 00:20:05,930 --> 00:20:04,320 sometimes on Pilot's report seeing 514 00:20:07,610 --> 00:20:05,940 things they're not making things up that 515 00:20:10,130 --> 00:20:07,620 were really balloons there and not even 516 00:20:12,230 --> 00:20:10,140 the Chinese Bible units I think 80 or 90 517 00:20:13,909 --> 00:20:12,240 000 feet but even those other objects 518 00:20:15,830 --> 00:20:13,919 they were I think hovering between 20 519 00:20:18,590 --> 00:20:15,840 and 40 000 feet and that's right in the 520 00:20:20,510 --> 00:20:18,600 middle of commercial air air routes so 521 00:20:23,150 --> 00:20:20,520 for me I was very happy that finally 522 00:20:25,250 --> 00:20:23,160 these things were not even reported but 523 00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:25,260 even tracked down and and data will be 524 00:20:29,029 --> 00:20:27,600 shown and it proves that there might be 525 00:20:30,950 --> 00:20:29,039 a big issue and you know even if we 526 00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:30,960 found out that it's just 527 00:20:35,630 --> 00:20:33,360 um balloons spy balloons that's fine 528 00:20:38,090 --> 00:20:35,640 with me as well we have to we have to 529 00:20:41,330 --> 00:20:38,100 keep the safety of uh basically air 530 00:20:43,850 --> 00:20:41,340 traffic in mine so uh I think it's uh it 531 00:20:45,650 --> 00:20:43,860 was a a very fortunate uh incident with 532 00:20:48,770 --> 00:20:45,660 this my balloon and it's it really helps 533 00:20:51,470 --> 00:20:48,780 to to push the UAP topic forward I sure 534 00:20:54,289 --> 00:20:51,480 I should the note on that that as far as 535 00:20:56,270 --> 00:20:54,299 a scientist like myself is concerned I 536 00:20:58,430 --> 00:20:56,280 I'm very happy as well that the 537 00:21:01,190 --> 00:20:58,440 government shoots down balloons because 538 00:21:03,289 --> 00:21:01,200 it reduces the clutter in the sky we 539 00:21:05,710 --> 00:21:03,299 don't I mean anything that is human made 540 00:21:09,010 --> 00:21:05,720 is not of much interest and obviously 541 00:21:11,450 --> 00:21:09,020 the unidentified objects are a mixed bag 542 00:21:14,270 --> 00:21:11,460 the Director of National Intelligence 543 00:21:16,370 --> 00:21:14,280 admitted that they believe about half of 544 00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:16,380 the objects that are unidentified are 545 00:21:20,510 --> 00:21:18,000 balloons there are plenty of balloons 546 00:21:24,110 --> 00:21:20,520 and by the way that would explain why 547 00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:24,120 the rate of reports on unidentified 548 00:21:29,149 --> 00:21:26,880 objects uh scales with population 549 00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:29,159 density the more people are looking at 550 00:21:34,549 --> 00:21:31,679 the sky the more balloons they might see 551 00:21:36,529 --> 00:21:34,559 so there might be a substantial fraction 552 00:21:38,570 --> 00:21:36,539 of those unidentified objects which are 553 00:21:42,409 --> 00:21:38,580 have a trivial explanation like balloons 554 00:21:44,930 --> 00:21:42,419 drones and the fewer there are the 555 00:21:47,870 --> 00:21:44,940 better as far as I'm concerned what we 556 00:21:50,270 --> 00:21:47,880 are after is really whether there is 557 00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:50,280 even one object that is of 558 00:21:56,570 --> 00:21:52,799 extraterrestrial origin you know it 559 00:22:00,350 --> 00:21:56,580 could be that 99 even 0.9 of the objects 560 00:22:02,510 --> 00:22:00,360 are human made or natural but even if 561 00:22:05,390 --> 00:22:02,520 one is not from this Earth 562 00:22:08,510 --> 00:22:05,400 that would be major news 563 00:22:10,130 --> 00:22:08,520 yeah absolutely so my final kind of 564 00:22:12,830 --> 00:22:10,140 question is for you Avi and it's you 565 00:22:15,049 --> 00:22:12,840 know we we see a lot of conversations 566 00:22:16,669 --> 00:22:15,059 coming from the US when it comes to the 567 00:22:18,169 --> 00:22:16,679 UAP subjects whether it be from 568 00:22:20,570 --> 00:22:18,179 government from the mainstream media 569 00:22:22,909 --> 00:22:20,580 from science and Academia I just wanted 570 00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:22,919 to see what your thoughts on with events 571 00:22:26,450 --> 00:22:24,240 like this that is happening in Paris 572 00:22:29,330 --> 00:22:26,460 France the importance of having this 573 00:22:32,270 --> 00:22:29,340 conversation overseas as well 574 00:22:34,010 --> 00:22:32,280 yeah I do think that more discussion is 575 00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:34,020 helpful in the sense of removing the 576 00:22:37,850 --> 00:22:36,240 stigma in the sense of allowing people 577 00:22:41,090 --> 00:22:37,860 to interact with each other share 578 00:22:43,909 --> 00:22:41,100 experiences but you know if you ask 579 00:22:46,490 --> 00:22:43,919 yourself what would be the major uh 580 00:22:49,130 --> 00:22:46,500 event that will trigger a change in the 581 00:22:51,470 --> 00:22:49,140 mindset of politicians the public the 582 00:22:53,570 --> 00:22:51,480 scientific Community it would be finding 583 00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:53,580 evidence that you cannot dispute 584 00:22:57,950 --> 00:22:56,400 and then of course you know if you look 585 00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:57,960 at the history 586 00:23:03,289 --> 00:23:00,480 um four centuries ago Copernicus and 587 00:23:05,330 --> 00:23:03,299 Galileo argued that the Earth is moving 588 00:23:07,730 --> 00:23:05,340 around the Sun and they were dismissed 589 00:23:09,770 --> 00:23:07,740 by the clergy at the time which 590 00:23:12,590 --> 00:23:09,780 dominated politics and you ask yourself 591 00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:12,600 okay so how did Humanity arrive to the 592 00:23:17,210 --> 00:23:14,880 right conclusion that it's not the Sun 593 00:23:19,850 --> 00:23:17,220 moving around the earth uh was it by 594 00:23:22,789 --> 00:23:19,860 rational thinking no they refused to 595 00:23:25,250 --> 00:23:22,799 look through Galileo's telescope uh but 596 00:23:28,130 --> 00:23:25,260 I think nowadays if you show a 597 00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:28,140 photograph of an object that doesn't 598 00:23:32,750 --> 00:23:31,200 look like a bird you know it looks at 599 00:23:35,570 --> 00:23:32,760 high resolution as if it's 600 00:23:37,730 --> 00:23:35,580 technologically manufactured and then it 601 00:23:40,010 --> 00:23:37,740 Maneuvers in ways that human-made 602 00:23:42,529 --> 00:23:40,020 Technologies cannot reproduce you have 603 00:23:44,450 --> 00:23:42,539 the video of that using scientific 604 00:23:47,210 --> 00:23:44,460 instruments that you have full control 605 00:23:48,770 --> 00:23:47,220 over that you calibrated you know the 606 00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:48,780 distance to the object which I should 607 00:23:52,130 --> 00:23:50,400 emphasize it's extremely important 608 00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:52,140 because people see objects moving really 609 00:23:56,510 --> 00:23:54,960 fast but they may be laws to them and 610 00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:56,520 they don't know the distance very often 611 00:24:01,250 --> 00:23:59,520 so knowing the distance is crucial so if 612 00:24:04,250 --> 00:24:01,260 you measure the distance with multiple 613 00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:04,260 instruments separated from each other so 614 00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:07,440 that you can triangulate and you have 615 00:24:10,490 --> 00:24:09,360 evidence Beyond any reasonable doubt 616 00:24:12,890 --> 00:24:10,500 that we are dealing with something 617 00:24:15,230 --> 00:24:12,900 unusual that humans cannot produce then 618 00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:15,240 I think everyone would jump on the on 619 00:24:20,210 --> 00:24:17,520 the boat of arguing yes there is 620 00:24:22,250 --> 00:24:20,220 something strange here and not only that 621 00:24:24,590 --> 00:24:22,260 but they would say that this has been 622 00:24:26,510 --> 00:24:24,600 the case for a long time and they were 623 00:24:29,390 --> 00:24:26,520 always open-minded and some of them said 624 00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:29,400 that before and in order to you know 625 00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:31,679 it's just like entering a castle you 626 00:24:35,570 --> 00:24:33,600 know you can bang against the door and 627 00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:35,580 claim the door is too heavy I can't push 628 00:24:41,870 --> 00:24:38,159 it I cannot get in and so forth but 629 00:24:44,450 --> 00:24:41,880 actually a child with a key that fits 630 00:24:47,149 --> 00:24:44,460 the lock can open the door and let you 631 00:24:51,950 --> 00:24:47,159 in without much effort and here the key 632 00:24:55,850 --> 00:24:51,960 to open the lock and let us in is good 633 00:24:58,370 --> 00:24:55,860 evidence of High scientific quality not 634 00:25:00,649 --> 00:24:58,380 fuzzy images from cell phones not 635 00:25:05,230 --> 00:25:00,659 eyewitness testimonies that will not 636 00:25:08,090 --> 00:25:05,240 change the game the game changer is 637 00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:08,100 exquisite scientific data that nobody 638 00:25:12,049 --> 00:25:09,600 can dispute 639 00:25:13,610 --> 00:25:12,059 absolutely and I'm really excited as 640 00:25:15,890 --> 00:25:13,620 always Avi for the work that you are 641 00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:15,900 doing with the Galileo project and I 642 00:25:20,210 --> 00:25:18,000 really do hope that you are the team to 643 00:25:21,950 --> 00:25:20,220 to finally give us that evidence that 644 00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:21,960 you mentioned there but listen gentlemen 645 00:25:25,310 --> 00:25:23,760 thank you so much for joining me I look 646 00:25:27,409 --> 00:25:25,320 forward to to speaking with you 647 00:25:28,909 --> 00:25:27,419 virtually at the conference Avi and 648 00:25:30,409 --> 00:25:28,919 Christian obviously meeting you in 649 00:25:32,450 --> 00:25:30,419 person it's going to be an absolutely 650 00:25:34,490 --> 00:25:32,460 incredible event I cannot wait for it 651 00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:34,500 but thank you very much and I really 652 00:25:39,230 --> 00:25:36,240 appreciate you both joining me today so 653 00:25:40,909 --> 00:25:39,240 thank you thank you thank you 654 00:25:42,890 --> 00:25:40,919 so there we go guys I hope you enjoyed 655 00:25:45,470 --> 00:25:42,900 that brief interview with Christian and 656 00:25:47,090 --> 00:25:45,480 Avi if you are interested in attending 657 00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:47,100 the event please check the link in the 658 00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:49,919 description of this video and yeah if 659 00:25:53,870 --> 00:25:51,840 you do attend then please make sure you 660 00:25:56,810 --> 00:25:53,880 come and say hello it'd be great to meet